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  1. #46
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    Michael - up that OG (maybe 8.5 - 9 lbs of pale) and bring the crystal down to around 3/4 lb. Also, I think the IBU needs to move upward. I'd also like to see a more complex hopping schedule, maybe 60-20-10-0
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    Here is my Proposal for recipes:

    AG:

    8.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM)
    1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM)
    0.50 lb Biscuit Malt (23.0 SRM)
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (60 min)
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (30 min)
    1 Pkgs British Ale (White Labs #WLP005)


    Extract:

    6.50 lb Pale Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM)
    1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM)
    0.50 lb Biscuit Malt (23.0 SRM)
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (60 min)
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (30 min)
    1 Pkgs British Ale (White Labs #WLP005)
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    Originally posted by gestyr
    Here is my Proposal for recipes:

    AG:

    8.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM)
    1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM)
    0.50 lb Biscuit Malt (23.0 SRM)
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (60 min)
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (30 min)
    1 Pkgs British Ale (White Labs #WLP005)


    Extract:

    6.50 lb Pale Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM)
    1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM)
    0.50 lb Biscuit Malt (23.0 SRM)
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (60 min)
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (30 min)
    1 Pkgs British Ale (White Labs #WLP005)
    I like gestyr's updated recipe although I think that the crystal malt is a bit high, but we can go with it. I would be tempted to use a caramunich, but that would be just my personal preference..

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    Lets get everything else settled, before we start discussing the recipe. Then we should let Otis and Danno hash out the rough draft first.
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  5. #50
    1. I am most definitely in
    2. AG
    3. I'll hop it myself.
    4. Local ingredients
    5. I can ship
    6. I like July, too.

    I will say that 23 IBU's is way low for an ESB.
    Hogie's got the hop schedule closer to what I'd do.
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    deleting duplicate post. HTF did this happen?
    Last edited by BrewDog; 02-26-2007 at 09:15 PM.
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    I'm in
    AG
    either way
    either way
    I can ship
    July would be best to give me time to work out the bugs in the new RIMS

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    I have been following this in the background.

    I am in!

    1. AG

    2. Recipe

    3. AHS or Mine

    4. I will ship

    5. May or July works.
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    Are we talking about having Austin Homebrew assemble these kits for us or do our own assembly? I have everything but biscuit malt already on hand.
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    Originally posted by HogieWan
    Michael - up that OG (maybe 8.5 - 9 lbs of pale) and bring the crystal down to around 3/4 lb. Also, I think the IBU needs to move upward. I'd also like to see a more complex hopping schedule, maybe 60-20-10-0
    We doing a Special bitter or a strong bitter?? a special bitter style tops out at 1.045 OG


    for a strong bitter I would go with this

    9 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 85.7 %
    1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 9.5 %
    8.0 oz Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM) Grain 4.8 %
    1.00 oz Pioneer [9.00%] (60 min) Hops 31.2 IBU
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (30 min) Hops 13.3 IBU
    0.50 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (10 min) Hops 3.1 IBU
    1 Pkgs Muntons Premium Gold (Muntons) Yeast-Ale

    75% Eff
    Est Original Gravity: 1.056 SG
    Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
    Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.6 %
    Bitterness: 47.7 IBU
    Est Color: 11.6 SRM


    The Crystal Malt amount would actualy fit this style perfectly as its traditional for crystal malts to come through in a strong bitter. Other then that I chose crystal and aromatic because they are malts that can be steeped/minimashed, that way everyone is running with the same basic ingrediants. sure the steepers wont get much extra sugars from the aromatic but it will still help lend that nice malty body and aroma for the style...

    Oh and I would recommend a dry yeast.... I know it will be hard to convince you liquid only users but.... LOL actualy one of the reasons besides price is that muntons gold forms this GREAT jelly like layer on the bottom of the bottle and would hold up to shipping well... That and it IS a great yeast



    Minimash/Steep would go

    2.5 lbs Extra Light Dry Extract (3.0 SRM) Dry Extract 34.2 %
    3.3 lbs Pale Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 45.2 %
    1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 13.7 %
    8.0 oz Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM) Grain 6.8 %
    1.00 oz Pioneer [9.00%] (60 min) Hops 31.9 IBU
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (30 min) Hops 13.6 IBU
    0.50 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (10 min) Hops 3.2 IBU
    1 Pkgs Muntons Premium Gold (Muntons) Yeast-Ale

    Est Original Gravity: 1.053 SG
    Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
    Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.3 %
    Bitterness: 48.8 IBU
    Est Color: 12.2 SRM
    Last edited by MichaelM; 02-26-2007 at 10:15 PM.
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    Corky, I'm thininking of Austin homebrew supply of doing the recipes because not every brewer is going to have these ingredients on hand.


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  12. #57
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    1) I'm in.

    2) Extract-Minimash

    3) Decide on a recipe.

    4) Austin Homebrew Supply is my first choice.

    5) ??I'm very busy but can try to ship.

    6) July is good.


    I'm up for it. I have 6 batches under my belt, another lined-up and planning number 8.

    I would like to ship and get feedback.

    But if for nothing else I'll take this as a great learning experience/opportunity.
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    Originally posted by Otis_The_Drunk
    I like gestyr's updated recipe although I think that the crystal malt is a bit high, but we can go with it. I would be tempted to use a caramunich, but that would be just my personal preference..
    I agree with you on the Crystal. I like CaraMunich better and not so much. My reading and experience says that how you process the grain contributes to the malt charcter and it isn't necessarily so sweet. I also like the English Pale malt as they are slightly more toasty than American Pale. I'd still like to aim for more of a dry maltiness. I think a lb of Crystal will make that more difficult. Kettle caramelization is a good thing.

    I like the WLP005 yeast. EKG hops are fine too. My preference is for whole hops if we can get that put in a kit.




    Questions to gestyr:
    What efficiency did you assume?
    What was your estimate OG?
    What are the estimated IBU's?




    Regarding a uniform recipe:
    - I think if we involve AHS it will be easier for them to work with a single AG recipe and a single extract recipe.
    - It will be easier for us to focus on one recipe than something general that everybody is going to do their own way.
    - I figure the recipe won't be exactly the way I would do it or make best use of my ingredient stock, but I'll learn something from others and it might even come out better.
    Last edited by dparsons; 02-27-2007 at 02:39 AM.
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    1) put yourself down if you are going to participate.
    - I'm in.

    2) Extract or AG?
    - AG

    3) Do we decide on a recipe and stick to it, or do your own thing?
    - Decide on a recipe. Otherwise we'll just have chaos. Use a poll if it comes down to it.

    4) do we go with Austin Homebrew Supply?
    - If we can get a single recipe it will give us a price break and will potentially give RealBeer some advertising on their site. "RealBeer ESB" with an explanation of the orgin will be a good plug. If it comes down to it though, this isn't the most important thing.

    5) if you're going to participate, are you willing to ship two bottles to X number of fellow brewers after completion for evaluation? (I agree with Danno on this one and go with 3 fellow brewers.
    - Yes.

    6) can brew and bottle and ship on/around May 1st. (I think we need to evaluate these side by side, so aome consistency needs to be introduced.)"
    - June 1 or July 1.
    Hmmm. Perhaps this is a plot by a couple specific individuals to get free homebrew!
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    I modified gestyr's suggested recipe. I changed the crystal to CaraMunich and dropped the amount, spec'd UK Biscuit (darker), changed the hop additions to hit flavor and aroma more specifically, and changed the bittering hop to something with a higher AA so that the receipe IBU's are past the minimum for the style. I also changed the LME to DME to get past the twang that was discussed with much ferver here.

    AG:
    8.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM)
    0.50 lb CaraMunich - (40.0 SRM)
    0.50 lb Biscuit Malt, UK (35.0 SRM)
    1.00 oz Northdown (or Northern Brewer or ) [8.00%] (60 min)
    0.25 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (60 min)
    0.75 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (20 min)
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (5 min)
    1 Pkgs British Ale (White Labs #WLP005, Wyeast 1098, Safale S-04)

    Assumed 75% efficiency, 75 min boil
    Est OG - 1.054
    Est IBU - 46.8
    Est SRM - 8.5




    Extract:

    5.5 lb Pale DME (1.046 pppg, 8.0 SRM)
    0.50 lb CaraMunich - (40.0 SRM)
    0.50 lb Biscuit Malt, UK (35.0 SRM)
    1.00 oz Northdown (or Northern Brewer) [8.00%] (60 min)
    0.75 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (20 min)
    1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (5 min)
    1 Pkgs British Ale (White Labs #WLP005, Wyeast 1098, Safale S-04)

    Assumed 50% efficiency, 60 min boil
    Est OG - 1.054
    Est IBU - 46.7
    Est SRM - 10.1


    Edit:
    Screwed up on the yeast matching. WLP005 matches Wyeast 1187. The Wyeast 1098 is the Safale S-04 and matches WLP007.
    Last edited by dparsons; 04-06-2007 at 03:14 AM.
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